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I'm okay. I'm. I'm as good as one could be expected to be. I think I tried to wade across a river yesterday. That was a mistake. Very, very much higher than I had expected.

Oh, no. You know, I. One time I wasn't going to say that we should do it, but one of the washes where I live like, flooded out into a river. It was like a. A dry wash and it was Suddenly like a 40 foot wide raging river. And I had this moment where I was like, could we cross it? And I was like, no, no, no.

We can't cross it.

We will fucking die.

Yeah. Yeah. A few years ago, I usually participate in a bicycle competition called El Tour de Tucson. Not technically a competition, technically a fun ride, but also one of the most insane things you can do on a bike just because people take it far too seriously. And that's very funny to me, but it includes several wash crossings and they are chaos. Like, that is the closest I will ever experience to being on the beach at D day. Like, you're on, you're in the sand, bodies are flying. Like, the only way to survive is to keep moving forward. But then it's also like six in the morning and there's a mariachi band and people with donuts and like fishing poles.

Oh my God.

Yeah. One year we did it and I remember we managed to get through a wash which was like, you know, probably 4 or 5 inches high, which made it negotiable on bikes, but not subsequently. It got to like a raging torrent and everyone behind us just had to like be diverted around it. And we had an assailable lead at that point. It was very funny.

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It'S going to remain public because everyone just thinks it's a good thing. Everyone likes to touch grass. If that's not the case, there's a guy. It's always a guy. Yeah.

Are commons under attack?

Yes, they are. I said this on another podcast. I do, but like last month or a couple of months ago, I was in, in the Arctic on Gwich inland. The Gwich in people are indigenous to that part of the world and we were doing some stuff about the threats to their land that will be released as a podcast at some point in the future. But one of them was like, what happened to you guys? Like, how did you get lose contact with your land? And I was like, took me back. But yeah, it made me want to talk about the enclosure of the commons at that time. Yeah. But unfortunately the commons are once again under threat. I think the public land in the US is not a perfect analogy for the commons for very many reasons, like one of which being that the indigenous people whose land it is and who were its custodians for thousands of years should continue to be the people who take care of it. That is not what is being proposed. I mean, this will shock you. I'm sure you will be shocked to hear that this proposal coming out of Utah. Utah is like a hotbed of like if. If there is one state that is a public land selling off our state, it is Utah and this time it is United States Senator quote unquote based Mike Lee. That's his Twitter handle. He doesn't have the quote, unquote. He just, he just goes with it.

Quotably based.

Yeah, questionably based, judging by this. What Mike Lee has been doing has been running a one man crusade against public lands all year. Right. And for much longer than that. But. So Lee attempted to insert a public land sell off in the Big Beautiful bill. If you remember the old BBB back in the summer of this year, the budget reconciliation bill, at that time, Lee attempted to use the canard that his public land sell off was in order to make housing more affordable. That was a lie. Anyone reading the bill could very clearly see that it wasn't going to do anything to make housing more affordable. If it created any housing at all, it would be for like the mega rich, Right. Like we'd have another, like West Yellowstone or, you know, one of these, these wealthy communities that are, you know, inside or adjacent to national parks. It wasn't gonna make housing easier to afford for you and I. That's because that wasn't what Lee was trying to do. He was trying to find something that would, that would allow people to accept sell off of public lands. And he has done that again with a new bill. And this bill is proposing to allow the Department of Homeland Security to, quote, unquote, inventory. Inventory, if you like, illegal roads and trails on public land within a hundred miles of the border. Because he is wrapping this one up in border security language. That is very clever because border security is currently the thing in United States politics which has a bottomless pot of money and requires absolutely no public scrutiny, apparently. So Lee, his bill proposed to do a few things. One of them is to create this inventory of roads. He's saying that these roads are created for illegal border crossing. Right. That's the sort of the canard here. And that DHS has to inventory them and then convert them into navigable roads, which. So if people aren't familiar, one of the Cornerstones of the 1964 Wilderness act is that roads cannot exist in wilderness because we cannot have mechanized access to wilderness. Right, yeah. Lee's bill would amend the Wilderness act not just within 100 miles of the border, but universally to remove this prohibition on roads. That is, there's like, there's sine qua non, to use a silly Latin phrase, of wilderness. Right. Like if you can motor on in there in your Jeep, it becomes a very different place. Now, Lee claims that creating roads in these areas will allow for more border security and for search and rescue. There is already.

They love the search and rescue shit. Yeah. They're calling it search and rescue.

They've never clearly participated in this. Like there are already exemptions for search and rescue in the wilderness. Like that is what the helicopter is, the big red fucking helicopter. And like they also clearly have no concept of how search and rescue situations start. It is because people get into the wilderness and one thing that will lead to more search and rescue operations is letting people drive into the back asshole of nowhere and then wander around because then they will get lost, break their ankle, get bitten by a snake, just get tired and press the button on their own reach because they want someone to come and get them. Like there are various degrees of severity of things that result in people calling search and rescue. This claim just doesn't stand up to basic analysis. The bill also proposes to do fire mitigation by clearing fuels and building firebreaks. Again, I think this is probably an attempt to just have more man made intrusion on public land and then it wants to quote, address invasive or non native species. Again, this could just be an attempt to have more sort of hands on. I've seen people suggest that it might be due to cattle ranching interests. Like essentially if there are things which are poisonous or harmful to cattle to have the government fund the removal of those. Because on certain public land, national forest and blm, you can graze cattle, right? People can, people can graze cattle on public land. You could probably graze other animals as well. I've not seen it as much. Cattle is a big thing in America, right? That's possible to me. I also think it comes from a sort of plastic understanding of what, what non native species are and the reason that they exist today. There's a book called Scapegoat forthcoming from AK Press, which you all should read if you're interested in that. The bill does have exemptions for tribal land, private land and state land, but otherwise it would pretty much impact all public land.

Golly.

Yeah, it's really bad. Actually I do want to read this piece from the press release where Lee said, and I'm quoting here from Mike Lee, just for people who are not familiar, the date is, is currently 11 November 2025. That will become important when I read this next sentence, quote, Biden's open border chaos is destroying America's crown jewels. God. Just like a little fact check here. Joseph Robinette Biden no longer the President of the United States. It is in fact Donald J. Trump. So fascinating justification there. Um, yeah, which, yeah, it's really interesting. He said some other stuff like families who want to enjoy a safe Hike or camp out or instead finding trash piles, burned landscapes and trails closed because rangers are stuck cleaning up the fallout. At the time he said this, all the rangers were not working because of the government shutdown. So they weren't clearing up shit. Also, like, I, I'm something of a super user of public lands. I camped on public lands several times in the last week. Migrants aren't the ones piling trash. It's people who bring out their fucking television to execute it by firing squad who are destroying our public lands. Lee also wants in the bill to like to create like a list of damage done to public lands by migrants which would be virtually impossible to just to find. Right. And just a way to whip up anti migrant sentiment. The whole thing is it is a list of sort of ways to justify reducing protections on these lands. Right. I think this is like an ideological crusade for Lee. Like he seems to genuinely believe that there shouldn't be protected land for you and me and anyone else to enjoy, that all land should be owned. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This fucking sucks. It's in the committee stage right now. Those who are familiar with the geography of the United States will have noticed Utah, not a border state. Nonetheless, right. This would impact massive public land. Like if I just think about near me, right, the Hukumba Mountain Wilderness, it would impact Joshua Tree. I think it's within 100 miles. Maybe not. Maybe Joshua Tree is too far north. Definitely the boundary waters. Definitely Wrangel St. Elias. Generally when they talk about the border and the hundred mile zone, they're also including the coast. So anywhere within 100 miles of the coast of the United States and then also the Great Lakes, the sort of southern boundaries of the Great Lakes. So this would impact two thirds of the population lives in that area. Right. This would impact most of the public lands that we enjoy.

Yeah, I mean, I think it's really part. It's like the kind of political or activist statement, you know, like the border is everywhere. It's like because of especially like acceleration in what ICE is doing. It's like, that's very clear. But it's like, I think it seems to maybe be part of. I feel like the government wanting more and more inscrutable power and like really using immigration to have that as like, you know, we are seeing with like Trump's little like fucking private army, you know? Yeah, we're just the, the executive branches private army because it's. I don't know if Trump's not president in the future, like, I'm sure, I'm sure ICE will continue to be weaponized in these ways.

Yeah, yeah. Like, it's. It's the new terrorism.

Right.

Like. Like after. After 9, 11, we were like, let's create the DHS and just give it this massive exemption from the Constitution. And, yeah, here we are, still living with the consequences of that. Nothing could possibly be bad about that.

Nope. Nothing at all.

I don't. Yeah, I know. This is one of those.

My brain is grasping for, like, a joke or a comment, but I'm just like, it's.

That's fucked.

It's just fucked. I know.

Go fucking camping while you can. I guess, like, I slept out on some public land the other day. It was very nice. It was very rainy. I was accosted for a third time by the same skunk.

Oh, no.

Yeah. Which is an experience that will not be available to you if Mike Lee sells off all of the lands that you and I can enjoy. Yeah, yeah.

Um. They have this thing, and I guess maybe you're familiar with this, and I'm going to say the correct one in Ireland. The right to wander.

Right to Rome.

Yeah, right to Rome. Is it Ireland? Did I get it right? It's not Scotland.

The right to Rome exists in Scotland, too, in various parts of the uk. It may also exist in Ireland. I'm not as familiar. Tell you what. Coming from a country which doesn't have much public land, it absolutely baffles me that people are not in the fucking streets about this. Like. Yeah, one of the things I genuinely. That kept me in this country after. After I finished my education was I love, like, the. The. The expanse of the Western United States. And I love that there are places where I can just go and be on the land and not have to ask permission from someone who owns. I can just go sleep out there. It's a thing that I think a lot of people. I understand that everybody uses public land or thinks they do, but we all benefit from it being there. Yeah. Yeah.

Go camping while you can. So I do have a. Just sort of. In relation to ice. I. It's like that thing where you can't. I'm like, I don't condone the state arresting people, but I'm. I certainly think it's funny when ICE agents get arrested.

Yep.

Do you hear about this ICE agent who was arrested in a sex trafficking sting and he tried to get out of it by saying, I'm ICE boys, and it did not work.

I did hear about that one. It's funny because I thought you were going to mention another ICE agent. Who was arrested in Riverside county for what? He pulled his gun on a local 17 year old for, quote, speeding in the neighborhood, unquote.

Golly.

Yeah, they've been. Yeah. Border patrol slogan is on a first. I guess ICE doesn't have that. Otherwise I could use that slogan ironically. Yeah. Yeah.

So I have a few other kind of like more headline level things before I get to talking about the antifa groups in Europe that were just recently designated as foreign terrorist organizations. So while it's very funny that an ICE agent got arrested for being a pedophile, what is. Unsurprisingly, it's. It's like the. I. I'm actually surprised they didn't let him go. You know, like, I'm like.

But.

But I'm glad that they didn't. So did you hear about this shooting in South Carolina at Planned Parenthood?

No, I didn't. That is not a nice thing to hear. Not a nice sentence.

Yeah, no, it's bad, but it's not the worst. So on November 14th, an anti abortion activist, activist, an anti abortion scumbag, pepper sprayed and shot someone after being confronted for filming people.

Yeah.

Outside of Planned Parenthood. Yeah.

I saw this in the context of like someone who I follow on Blue sky, who is like a self defense instructor and not a complete piece of shit, which is a rare combination. This is a terrible reason for you to draw a gun. Like, this person should go to prison.

Yeah. And you know what? He has not even been charged with anything. Really. Yes. And the way that they're talking about him in the news, there's like video of this person doing it and they're still saying alleged. The alleged shooter. It's this guy, Mark Baumgartner, who is the founder of this anti abortion foundation called A Moment of Hope, who has like regularly been outside of this Planned Parenthood in South Carolina for a very long time. There's a video of the whole thing and it's like what you see in the video is some passerby kind of confronting this guy about filming people. And he's like, what? You don't. He says something like, you don't think women should have choices or something like that. And then Baumgartner just takes out some pepper spray, pepper sprays him. And then they get into a fist fight. And then someone else comes and like tackles the bystander who got pepper sprayed. And then Baumgartner and his wife both have guns drawn on this person. And the person like gets out of this headlock by this other guy. And then like punches Baumgartner and then Baumgartner shoots him. And it's like the notable thing in this about like, it's like about self defense. You know, I'm not a lawyer, I'm not a legal expert, but generally you cannot shoot someone as with a claim of self defense when you are the aggressor in the confrontation. And shooting someone is not proportional force to someone punching you.

Yeah. It might have been reasonable for the, for the bystander who had been purpose sprayed and then set about by three people to use lethal force because they could reasonably have articulated a fear for their life. But to start a fight, mace someone and then shoot them, like you just set out to kill that person? Like, yeah, that's insane that this person. I mean this is the system that we exist in, of course, but fuck me.

Yeah. And so Baumgartner has not been charged with anything so far and he was detained and asked questions or something, but he wasn't arrested despite there being video graphic evidence of him shooting someone.

Right.

The person who was shot is in stable condition and I believe is suspected to recover. Like this person like got shot and then like called 911 and was like, I got shot. Can you come help me?

Yeah, well, I'm glad that they didn't pass away. That's. That's something, I guess. But yeah, what a disgusting. Like, I don't know. Yeah, I sincerely hope that the person at least gets charged. Like there should be some consequences in the world for like inciting violence and then shooting someone.

Totally. Yeah. You know who else is inciting violence for not the first time.

This could be a broad range of people.

It's Trump. It's Trump. Okay, so I'm sure most people are familiar with this, but Trump recently called for the death of his political rivals when some Democrats made this video about like urging the military to not follow illegal orders. And then like Carolyn Levitt like freaked out at everyone about like, like they're encouraging sedition and people to break the law. And the Democrats are like, we specifically said illegal orders. And Trump kind of like called for the, the death of them for, for encouraging people to break the law.

Um, yeah, I saw some crackpot thing that like they wanted to. Because some of these people are veterans and they might be like technically reserved still, so they could be called back up and then on active duty prosecuted for.

Golly.

But which. That theory's been around for a while. People used it about the vets who were in J6 as well. To my knowledge, that hasn't happened in recent times, but so we could say that about lots of other things and here we are, so who knows?

Yeah, but kind of the big thing that I have to talk about today is this foreign terrorist designations by four antifa groups in Europe. So the Trump administration recently added these four groups to the FTO list. It is Antifa OST in Germany, Informal Anarchist Federation in Italy, Armed Proletarian justice in Greece and, and Revolutionary Class Defense also in Greece. So a lot of people have kind of brought to attention that, like, this is not actually a new thing or it's not like the first time it's happened despite, like what right wing media is claiming. Revolutionary struggle. Another anarchist group was added in 2009 and Conspiracy Cells of Fire was added in 2011. Both of these by the Obama administration and I think one of them by Hillary Clinton.

Yeah, she was Secretary of State. Right, that would make sense. Yeah.

So it's like, although this isn't new, Trump's obsession with air quotes, antifa is a little bit different, I think, than some of these past designations. And so it's like, I don't think we can sweep it under the rug as like. Well, it's already happened before.

Yeah, it's something people should be aware of.

Totally, totally. And this is where I kind of get speculative, is like, I wonder if this is an attempt to kind of disrupt and complicate or criminalize this very burgeoning concept of internationalism or to use social networks to criminalize people here in the United States as like linking them to any of these groups purely based on ideology or through extended social networks. This is me wondering, I'm curious if you have thoughts on that.

Yeah. I think we would be unwise to not think that there is some kind of domestic policy at play here. Right. Like, especially given, you know, the way that domestic terrorism charges have been used against people protesting Cop City in Georgia. Like it. It's a weird selection of groups. And Antifa ost, I think they were also declared or listed as an FTO in Hungary, and I think we can probably see the direction of the causal arrow there. The other groups are like, not nominally or explicitly anti fascist.

Yes. They're just anarchist groups.

Yeah. And they're not groups. They're groups who have done, to my understanding, like threatened bombings and done violence against property. They may have done violence against people. To my knowledge, they have not killed anyone, let alone any U.S. person.

Yeah, but you know, who has killed people and remains to not be on the FTO list here in the United.

States the people who hammer us, who sometimes Antifa Ost are called hammerbund, the people who they're accused of attacking.

Yes, yeah, I see. You see where I'm going with this? Yeah. I wanted to talk about Antifa Ost's designation in particular because it's like. So their designation kind of like comes supposedly because of a air quotes attack they carried out against a literal neo Nazi group called Blood and Honor that used to organize an event in Hungary called Day of Honor along with its armed group combat 18.

Yeah.

And so Canada has designated Blood and Honor as a terrorist group that Canada claims is in international neo Nazi network whose ideology is derived from the doctrine of Nazi Germany.

Yeah, Canada is right about that. I think they, they the group either comes from Britain or is present in the United Kingdom. Like I'm broadly like not, not like personally aware of people who are in them, but I'm aware of their existence as like a straight up neo Nazi group.

Yeah. And Combat 18 has carried out literal murders and bombings including two members who pled guilty to murder in Florida. So Blood and Honors unsurprisingly is not designated as an fto. And the State Department hasn't really provided any context for Antifa Aust's designation. Like they haven't provided proof of like plots or attacks against Americans, which is usually. Or killing people, which is usually what gets people or groups on the FTO list. Whereas Blood and Honor, who is the reason that they're being put on this list is a literal neo Nazi group that has murdered people. And to give more context around this kind of Day of Honor, it is now organized by this group called Legio Hungaria who is a state financed group that is also not labeled as a terrorist organization by Hungary. But Hungary followed suit in labeling Antifa OST a terrorist organization after the Trump administration did. So Legio Hungaria is like at these Day of Honor events is like famous for Holocaust denial, the literal celebration of SS ideology and chanting things like Jews out.

Great. Famously never a thing that has led to bad consequences before.

Yeah, it's this thing that is unsurprising where it's like there's this hunt for antifa right now. While right wing and not like calling neo Nazi groups right wing is like a little. They're neo Nazi groups being like very much protected from scrutiny and even backed by the state in many cases.

Yeah, I guess if you are going to look for antifa, the place to go would be the open and explicit gathering of actual fascists. That is how they found them. There I guess. Yeah.

So this is maybe a strange connection, but I think we can look to other things that are happening to maybe predict where some stuff is going. Maybe not, I don't know. Not a legal expert, but you hear about the six alleged leaders of the Sinaloa Cartel in California being charged with material support of an fto.

No, he didn't. Yeah. Trump added the Sinaloa Cartel to the list in January.

Yeah. And then very quickly after that designation, six alleged leaders of the Sinaloa Cartel were charged with material support. And here's where stuff gets like, scary for like, other ways that it could be used. So there's this broad piece in the charge of material support which includes resources, including property, tangible or intangible, or services, including currency and financial services. Again, this is speculation. I'm wondering if they'll try to use designating more groups as FTPs, potentially groups that are pro Palestine and using crowdfunding as reason to go after groups in the US for like, trying to give people money to escape genocide and shit like that.

Yeah. Like the FTO statute is broad. Right. Like there are even things like, like promotion, coordinated promotion with FTOs. It's a very broad statute. Right. Like there are things like coordinated promotion and like, you can see how these things entered into that law with like, you don't want money laundering for isis. Right. Like, I wrote a case, I wrote a story based on a case of a guy who was, he was buying stuff at Bas Pro shop and they're sending it to isis. Like he was convicted of material support for terrorism. That's very obvious. Material support. But there are, there are much wider things than that.

Yeah. Like this person in one of the Prairieland defendants who's being charged with material support for having fucking zines.

Yeah.

None of which like specifically mention the nebulous concept of antifa. I think one of the things that's like, especially hard, especially about like the. So like air quotes, antifa groups or ideology, you know, famously like anti fascist beliefs. It's like there is a context here in the United States that is different from the context in Europe, I think, whereas like a lot of antifa groups, air quotes in Europe were literally formed out of people who literally fought the Nazis, who occupied their homes.

Like, technically, antifascism is a position of the, of the comet turn. Right. That it took. That it adopted in 1935 as part of its popular foreign policy. But like you're saying it's a little.

Different in the U.S. yeah, it's different. And that. Yeah, notably different. Contexts. But it's like, even when these groups are directly tied to fighting the literal Nazis, they are being criminalized by their own states who were occupied by the Nazis. Yeah. And so, again, it's like, none of this is legal advice. A lot of this is speculation. Do with all of that information what you will, and we will, I guess, wait and see what happens. God, this sounds like. This is bad. Waiting and seeing what happens sounds like terrible advice. You know what you should do instead?

What's that?

You should take inspiration from our last little bit of news, which is an inspiring thing. I want to talk about people fleeing and returning to their home, and that is the Austrian nuns. Have you heard about these Austrian nuns?

Yeah. And these are nuns who were just like. I forget what they did, but the nuns just like, yeah, they bust out and went on a rager. Remind me. This is a good story.

Yeah, this is a beautiful story. So some nuns in Austria recently broke out of their Catholic retirement home to return to their abandoned convent in the Alps with the help of former students and a locksmith.

Oh, hell, yeah. You love to see it. Someone should make a piece of musical theater about this.

Absolutely. So what's up with this? Is that. So there's the Goldenstein Convent in the Austrian Alps, and it's a place where these nuns, these. These three nuns grew up, basically. And along with a lot of other people, there was a school. And the. The article that I read is like, this. This convent did a lot of good for a lot of people.

I'm.

I'm not gonna. I'm just gonna assume that is true. It might not be true. All of these places are complicated, but in this moment, I'm gonna believe that it's pure gold. And lot of the nuns dwindled just from old age, leaving the convent. And so it's like the convent as an institution is sort of dwindling. And in 2022, the leadership kind of changed, and an archdais was put into the leadership of the convent and giving these nuns kind of like, a boss in their immediate vicinity. And these three women were kind of. They were like, well, you know, the convent's dwindling. There's not really anyone here. We think that they would do better, especially in their old age and medical condition in a Catholic retirement home. And they were like, fuck that. So they eventually left. They returned, and they're like, through a lot of support from people, like, restoring things like water and electricity to the convent building, and they got a locksmith to, like, break into their old apartments. For them. Yeah.

You love to see it.

It's just wonderful. And there's like, one part of it was like, that they were like, oh, they're going to have trouble getting around because their stairlift was ripped out after they were removed, like, against. They were. To be clear, they were removed against their will. They did not want to leave in the first place, but their stairlift was ripped out and there, so. And now there's all these videos of them just being like, well, fuck it. And so they're climbing up and down these, like, steep staircases, and they're like, that's. That's life.

Yeah. Yeah.

There's like, they all. You like, at least two of them, like, use mobility aids. And they're like, nope, this is what we want. And they just have some really inspirational quotes, which will be my last little bit about this. We had the right to stay here until the end of our lives. And that was broken. And before I die in that old people's home, I would rather go to a meadow and enter eternity that way. And it's like this thing where it's like, everyone's concerned. Like, the Catholic. The church is very concerned with their safety and whatever. And these are people who are like, our fate was to die in the service of the thing that we believe in. And by removing us from that, you have taken away the thing that we were living for.

Yeah, totally. They're more concerned with their dignity and their safety, which is fine. It seems like they're in a perfectly right mind to be making those choices. I'm glad that people are helping them.

Totally. Yeah. So that's my inspirational thing. You got any inspiration to end on, James?

It's been a rough month for inspiration. I know. Let me think. There must have been some good things. A number of my friends from the Pasqua Yaqui tribe completed El Tour de Tucson this week, which is the bike thing I mentioned. And I am very proud to know all of them. They have been a great source of positivity and inspiration in my life. And, yeah, I'm glad that they continue to shred bicycles.

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